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Pete

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EVERYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ISLAM
« on: August 04, 2008, 02:00:32 PM »
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The upper case words (and bolding) are my addition and do not appear in the King James Version or the translations of the Quran.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Surah 112:2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

1Jo 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Old Testament prophecy:
Isaiah 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Surah 9.30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

Surah 4:157  That they said (in boast), "WE KILLED JESUS CHRIST Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT:-

Mat 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.

Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
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Re: EVERYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ISLAM
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2009, 04:33:01 PM »
His not begoten nor he will beget.

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Re: EVERYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ISLAM
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2009, 06:26:48 AM »
His not begoten nor he will beget.

But you can see from the verses above that Mohammed taught the exact opposite of all of the NT prophets that walked and talked with Jesus.

Muslims understand that Jesus is a manifestation of God. That Mary conceived Jesus by the will of God. Then amazingly, they say he was just another messenger of God.
Consider the term beget:

1. To father; sire.
2. To cause to exist or occur; produce: Violence begets more violence.

If God didn't beget Jesus, then who caused Jesus to be made manifest in Mary's womb?

Muslims believe that the virgin Mary became pregnant by God having sent His Spirit to Mary. Some even call Jesus Ruhullah, meaning "a spirit of Allah".

It's obvious from the term, that if Mary became pregnant by God, then God begat Jesus.

NOBODY would suggest that God had carnal fleshly relations with Mary in the human sense.

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Re: EVERYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ISLAM
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2009, 05:28:07 AM »
Assalaimu alaikum,

I wanted to correct your understanding of what Muslims believe concerning Jesus (PBUH). First you are wrong that Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) didn't teach the same things as the Biblical Prophets. The Message of Muhammed (PBUH) is the same as Abraham's message to his father's people, worship no other god, but God, so on and so forth. One only read the Bible closely to see that there is no Prophet in the Bible that didn't warn the people about worshiping other gods. Secondly when speaking about Jesus the Qur'an is quite clear when it says that the creation of Jesus is like the creation of Adam, Allah said to it be, and it is. God doesn't beget my friend, he creates. God cannot father a child, because from the very beginning he established that He is one God, and there is none other comparable to Him.

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Re: EVERYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ISLAM
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2009, 07:13:06 AM »
Assalaimu alaikum,

I wanted to correct your understanding of what Muslims believe concerning Jesus (PBUH). First you are wrong that Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) didn't teach the same things as the Biblical Prophets.

So then it is your understanding that Ishmael was the disowned son of Abraham and that God established His covenant with the seed of Isaac?

Genesis 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

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Re: EVERYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ISLAM
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2009, 07:13:19 AM »
The Message of Muhammed (PBUH) is the same as Abraham's message to his father's people, worship no other god, but God, so on and so forth. One only read the Bible closely to see that there is no Prophet in the Bible that didn't warn the people about worshiping other gods.

Including all of the New Testament prophets like Mark, for example:

Mark 12:29 ... The Lord our God is one Lord: ... 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he:  

Secondly when speaking about Jesus the Qur'an is quite clear when it says that the creation of Jesus is like the creation of Adam, Allah said to it be, and it is.

If Mohammed taught the same things as the bible prophets as you suggested, you would know that God formed Adam from the dust of the ground:

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Even you believe Jesus is the only person in the history of mankind to be conceived by a virgin, by the will of God. Yet you seem to be trying to suggest that there was no difference between the way that God manifest Himself in Jesus, and the way God formed Adam.

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

God doesn't beget my friend, he creates.

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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2009, 07:27:46 AM »
God cannot father a child,......

We certainly worship very different God's since there is absolutely nothing that my God cannot do.
Even you believe He can, and did, have a virgin conceive a child.
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........ because from the very beginning he established that He is one God, and there is none other comparable to Him.

Indeed He is, and nothing is comparable.

So let me ask you. If God so desired, could He create a physical body for Himself and buy the house next door to you and move in as your neighbor?
Would that be impossible for God to do?
In other words do you believe God is powerless to do that?