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THE KAABAH AS TEMPLE OF THE ARABIAN STAR WORSHIP
« on: March 08, 2010, 04:46:43 PM »
[Added 12-21-13: Sahih Muslim Book 007, Number 3078: '.....for when the Quraish had built the Ka'ba, they reduced its (area), and I would also have built (a door) in the rear.
http://www.brotherpete.com/hajj_umrah.htm#kaaba - end addition]

http://religionresearchinstitute.org/mecca/index.htm
    *  The Classical Writers and Mecca - By Dr. Rafat Amari
    * Archaeology  and Mecca - By Dr. Rafat Amari
    * The Bible and Mecca- By Dr. Rafat Amari
    * The Kaabah and the Arabian Star Worship - By Dr. Rafat Amari
    * The Role of the Temple at Mecca in the Jinn Religion and in the Arabian Family Star Religion - By Dr. Rafat Amari
    * The True Story of the Construction of the Temple of Mecca - By Dr. Rafat Amari

THE KAABAH AS TEMPLE OF THE ARABIAN STAR WORSHIP

By. Dr. Rafat Amari

The Kaabah of Mecca was  one of many Kaabahs that  were  branches of the Kaabah of Taif;  It was of  the same building style and had the same religious pagan functions.


Islam is a form of the Arabian Star Family worship of Mohammed's time. The veil which tries to hide this reality falls when we study the roots of the Islamic religion.

   Ibn Abbas, the cousin of Mohammed, and one of the reporters of the tradition of Mohammed, called Hadith, speaks of two pilgrimages of the Quraish tribe. One of the journeys was to the city of Taif.[1]

    At Taif there was also a temple called Kaabah of Ellat, or Kaabah of the Sun.  This Kaabah was more significant and much older than the Kaabah of Mecca.  All Arabs, including the tribe of Quraish from which Mohammed came, venerated this Kaabah.
The Kaabah of Taif was identical to the Kaabah of Mecca, and it had the same religious functions. Like the Kaabah at Mecca, it had a sacred valley where no animals or humans were allowed to be killed. The Kaabah of Taif had the same Sidaneh, or religious rituals, adopted by the Kaabah at Mecca. The Kaabah of Taif also had the Istar ????? , a kind of dress to cover the sacred stones like we find at the Kaabah of Mecca. Both the Kaabah of Taif and the Kaabah of Mecca had a yard, or an area, which was inviolable. No one could cut its trees or hunt its animals. Anyone who entered there for refuge was protected.  Both Kaabahs also had a well in which to put gifts.[ii][2]

    In Hijaz, the region of western and central western Arabia where Mecca was built, there were many Kaabahs which were dependent on this main Kaabah.[iii][3] Was the Kaabah of Mecca just one branch of this famous Arabian Kaabah?  It's probable, for many factors point to that. First, the tribe of Tamim, which inhabited the city of Taif where this Kaabah was built, was of Yemeni origin. Second, the tribe of Tamim had preeminence over other tribes in the region, including the tribe of Quraish. We have already seen that the tribe of Tamim were judges for disputes among the Arabian tribes of the region.[iv][4] Third, the main door to the Kaabah at Mecca was called the "door of the sun worshippers," which indicates the Kaabah of Mecca was, in particular, dedicated to the worship of the sun, just as was the Kaabah of Taif. However, this doesn't mean that Allah was not worshipped as the Star, along with his daughters, al-'Uzza and Manat.

    The tribe of Quraish, in particular, worshipped Ellat, the Sun. They had an idol dedicated to Ellat in a place called Nekhlah, which was part of a larger area called Suk Ukkath (or Ukkaz), or the market or fair of Ukkath.[v][5]  Ukkath is a place where many came, not just to trade, but also to conduct a Hajj, or pilgrimage.   Since Ukkath housed the idol Ellat, and Ukkath was close to Mecca, people would visit Mecca after visiting Ukkath. There was also an idol of Ellat in the Kaabah of Mecca,[vi][6]  but it was less impressive than the idol of Ellat at Ukkath.

    All this suggests that there were connections between some of the Kaabahs of Hijaz, even though they were built by Yemeni tribes and leaders at various times in history. We assume the Kaabah of Taif was the leading Kaabah of the ones dedicated to the worship of Ellat, the sun. This could explain why the Quraish neglected the Kaabah of Mecca and participated in an annual religious trip with other worshippers of Ellat to the main Kaabah at Taif. Members of Arabian Star Family Worship were venerated in all the Kaabahs, such as Allah and his daughters, al-'Uzza and Manat. But it seems each Kaabah had a particular emphasis on the worship of one of the members of the Arabian Star Family.

    As in the Kaabah of Mecca, the Kaabbah of Taif had a large Black Stone around which the people circled.[vii][7]  The stone was the main element in Arabian Star Family Worship.

The Kaabah of Mecca was insignificant, even to the tribe of Quraish, until Mohammed imposed it as the exclusive place of worship for Muslims.

The tribe of Quraish continued to make two religious trips, or pilgrimages.  One was to the northern Kaabah, which I discussed before, and the other was to the Kaabah of Taif.
When Mohammed occupied Mecca, he came with a verse from the Qur'an, prohibiting his followers to make such trips. The Qur'an compelled them to worship only in the Kaabah of Mecca. The verse I'm referring to is found in Surah Quraish 106:1-3,

For the covenants by the Quraish, their covenant journeys by winter and summer, let them adore the lord of this house.

It is clear that the tribe of Quraish was to have two religious journeys, one in winter and one in summer. We understand from old Islamic resources that the journey of  Quraish in summer was to Taif.[viii][8]   But the Qur'an prohibited Mohammed's followers from worshipping other lords in other Kaabahs. Worshippers were to express their adoration only in the Kaabbah of Mecca. All this demonstrates that, among the Kaabahs  dedicated to Star Family Worship in Arabia, the Kaabah of Mecca was not an important Kaabah until Mohammed made his ruling. Instead, it was almost insignificant, even to the tribe of Quraish, which occupied Mecca after evicting the tribe of Khuzaa'h, the builders of the city and its Kaabah. The Kaabah at Mecca was important to the tribe of Khuzaa'h and to the tribe of Sufa, seemingly a branch of Khuzaa'h. Sufa was responsible for pagan ceremonies held in the mountains around Mecca. Such ceremonies were later incorporated into Islam by Mohammed, and became part of its pilgrimage.

    Even the tribe of Quraish considered the Kaabah of Mecca as irrelevant. They preferred to go to Ukkath to worship Ellat, the sun, rather than restricting their worship to the Kaabah at Mecca. They considered the northern temple and the main temple dedicated to the worship of Ellat, that is the Kaabah of Taif, as the more important temples.

The Kaabah at Mecca was not Important to Other Arabian Tribes

Not only did the tribe of Quraish fail to hold the Kaabah at Mecca in esteem above the other Kaabahs, but many  Arabian tribes felt the same way. We see that Thaqif, the main tribe of Taif, was not interested in preserving the Kaabah of Mecca. This was shown when Abraha, the Ethiopian, who controlled Yemen around 570  A.D., passed through Thaqif. They asked Abraha not to destroy their Kaabah, but instead to destroy the Kaabah in Mecca, because they knew his plans were to go there after occupying their city.[ix][9]  This shows that the Kaabah of Mecca was not important to the Arabian tribes because it was originally the Kaabah belonging to one tribe, the tribe of Khuzaa'h which built Mecca.

Hubol was a shrine of the Kaabah representing the moon. Hubol was called "Allah" before Venus  took the title of "Allah" from the moon.

Quraish worshipped an idol belonging to another tribe, the tribe of Kinaneh. The idol was called  "a companion or friend of Kinaneh." Kinaneh then worshipped an idol called   "companion of Quraish."[x][10]  This deity was Hubol. Hubol was worshipped as the main shrine in the Kaabah at Mecca. Scholars think this shrine represented Allah, the head of Arabian Star Worship, whose wife was Ellat, the sun. This god, Hubol, was found in the Nabataean inscriptions as the god of the moon,[xi][11] and he was formed in the image of a man.[xii][12]

    Scholars agree that Hubol, as the god of the moon, was the god of the Kaabah. For a certain period, he was also "Allah" for the inhabitants of Mecca.[xiii][13]  This was before Venus gained the title of Allah as the "great star."

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[1] Ibn Abbas in Tabari, Jami', xxx, 171. cited by Patricia Crone, Meccan Trade, Princeton University Press, 1987,  page, 205

[ii][2] Ibn al-Kathir 4:253 quoted by Jawad Ali, vi, 228

[iii][3] Jawad Ali, vi, 228

[iv][4] "Mecca and Tamim," Kister, page 145 ff, quoted by Patricia Crone, Meccan Trade, Princeton University Press, 1987,  page, 156

[v][5] Tafsir al-Tabari 27; page 35; Al-Allusi, Ruh' al-Maani 27:47

[vi][6] Al-Allusi, Ruh' al-Maani 27: 47 ; Al-Khazen 4: 194, quoted by Jawad Ali vi, page 232

[vii][7]  Yaqut al-Hamawi,  Mujam al-Buldan 7, page 310; Taj al-Aruss 1, page 580; Tafsir al-Beithawi 1:199 ; al-Kalbi, al-Asnam, Dar al-Kutub al-Masriyah, Cairo-Egypt, 1925; Al-Lusi, Ruh' al-Maani, 27, page 47; Azruqi, Akhbar Mecca, 79

[viii][8]  Crone cited Ibn Abbas in Tabari, Jami', xxx, 171; Patricia  Crone, Meccan Trade, Princeton University Press, 1987,  page 205

[ix][9]Tarikh al-Tabari, I, page 441

[x][10]Ibn Habib, al-Mahbar, page 318

[xi][11] Jawad Ali,vi, 328; Rino' Disu, al-Arab Fi Suryia Khabel al-Islam, page 116

[xii][12] Al-Tabarsi al-Fadl ibn al-Hasan, Majma' al-Bayan fi tafsir al-Qur'an, ( Beirut, 1954) 29, page 68

[xiii][13] Wellhausen, Reste Arabischen Heidentums, Berlin, 1927, S.73,221 ; Grohmann, S.87 cited by Jawad Ali, vi, 252


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Re: THE KAABAH AS TEMPLE OF THE ARABIAN STAR WORSHIP
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2013, 10:01:44 AM »
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Thank you for the history lesson. And you right before Islam the spread of Islam mankind was deviated and I fully accept your proof that Islam came to correct the incorrect belief prevalent everywhere and if pagan worships could be converted to the belief in one God Allah. The rest of the world would be easy to convert

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Re: THE KAABAH AS TEMPLE OF THE ARABIAN STAR WORSHIP
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2013, 05:14:49 PM »
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Thank you for the history lesson. And you right before Islam the spread of Islam mankind was deviated and I fully accept your proof that Islam came to correct the incorrect belief prevalent everywhere and if pagan worships could be converted to the belief in one God Allah. The rest of the world would be easy to convert

So you don't mind prostrating yourself toward, what you cannot deny is, the Quraish pagan's black stone idol, in Mecca, five times a day while praying in the "vain repetitions as thee heathen do", in the names of the Arabian pagan's deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad. We get that.

Now let's try the post you've repeatedly been running and hiding from for nearly a year now:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14499#msg14499

1. Muj, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, he would be committing the only unforgivable sin, according to Muhammad, wouldn't he?

2. Confessing that Jesus is the Son of God would be a sin be worse than raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder, wouldn't it?"

Let me add number:

3. It would even constitute a sin even worse than the mass murder of those school children of some weeks back, wouldn't it?

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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2013, 08:03:53 AM »
I love posts like this, describing the transformation that Muhammad peace be upon him brought about in the worship of God in the world, the astounding magnitude of his reach and influence is unprecedented in the history of mankind. You are reinforcing the fact that Muahmmad is the true messenger of GOd, He came to correct the incorrect belief of the entire world.

Your choice to reject it is of no consequence except for the effect it is having on your own soul.

I accept that Jesus is a prophet of God, The Messiah born of Mary, the spirit of ALLAH,

I believe that he was ascended into heaven and that he will return to fight and kill Dajjal with the Muslims (Christians won't recognize him unfortunately for them as they have a no connection to his people.


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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2013, 12:06:42 PM »
I love posts like this, ..........

So then you believe the Quraish pagans were right to venerate their/your black stone idol, in their moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship, that they venerated along with their other 359 idols.

.......... describing the transformation that Muhammad peace be upon him brought about in the worship of God in the world, the astounding magnitude of his reach and influence is unprecedented in the history of mankind.

Muhammad's "reach and influence" beginning with his beheading of innocent Jewish farm boys, and their dads and grandpas, while he and his boys raped their little sisters, moms and grandmothers, and stealing the fruit of their labor of generations.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm#banu_qurayza

You are reinforcing the fact that Muahmmad is the true messenger of GOd, He came to correct the incorrect belief of the entire world.

No he is a counter-Gospel counter-God counter-Jesus "messenger" of Satan, who has brought murder, mayhem and misery to the world for 1400 years, beginning by beheading those innocent Jewish farm boys, continuing unto the suffering of hundreds of millions in the world today, including the vast majority of the 100,000 to 180,000 Christians martyred around the world by Muhammad's true followers.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm

From the Hoover Institute: "Few people realize that we are today living through the largest persecution of Christians in history, worse even than the famous attacks under ancient Roman emperors like Diocletian and Nero. Estimates of the numbers of Christians under assault range from 100-200 million. According to one estimate, a Christian is martyred every five minutes. And most of this persecution is taking place at the hands of Muslims. Of the top fifty countries persecuting Christians, forty-two have either a Muslim majority or have sizeable Muslim populations."

CNS reports: "Sunni Muslim terrorists committed “about 70 percent” of the 12,533 terrorist murders in the world last year, according to a report by the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC)."
That's for the year 2011, and that percentage doesn't even include Shiite Muslim terrorist murders. Thus it should be obvious to all non-Muslims, that the world would be largely at peace today, if the followers of Muhammad had not been commanded to "fight and slay" non-Muslims in the "cause" of "Allah".
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm

Your choice to reject it is of no consequence except for the effect it is having on your own soul.

I accept that Jesus is a prophet of God,........

Which will remain a transparent lie, as long as you reject His own prophesies of His crucifixion, death and resurrection.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

And as long as you keep lying about  the Gospel says. Do you really believe the ONE true God of the Jews and Christians wants you to lie about the Gospel like that:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1790.msg15883#msg15883

........ The Messiah born of Mary, the spirit of ALLAH,

I believe that he was ascended into heaven and that he will return to fight and kill Dajjal with the Muslims (Christians won't recognize him unfortunately for them as they have a no connection to his people.

You deny the whole subject of the Gospel, and blaspheme the Son of God, because of your faith in THE false prophet Muhammad alone.

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
                           
1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
                     
2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.   

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2013, 12:02:43 PM »

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So then you believe the Quraish pagans were right to venerate their/your black stone idol, in their moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship, that they venerated along with their other 359 idols.

Your lack of understanding of basic ISlam and your ignorance of the worship of ALLAH is an indication of lack of seeking and disseminating the truth. What you prefer to do is slander and spread lies. I have posted the Islamic belief and it clear that the Prophet Muhammad (may ALLAH bestow peace and blessings upon him) came to correct the belief of the entire humanity, that was at its lowest point in its history of mankind, Your people call it the DARK AGES" we view it in terms of the number of people that worshipped GOD or even knew of GOD or cared. Islam brought such a light to the world that we are now able to enjoy the modern age due to the foundation laid by all the Prophets and brought to the world by Muahmmad Messenger of ALLAH.

The idols were destroyed incorrect belief driven out of the hearts of billions of people, learning and teaching reached unprecedented levels and the Ka'aba restored to its former majesty, glory and dignity.

Yes Muslims have slipped into a dark place in the last 500 to 600 years and its all about to change in the coming centuries, Muslims are going through a regeneration process and  they are slowly returning to the principles of Islam, The strife you see going on is the birth pains of the new generation. I would love to be counted amongst the pioneers that destroyed falsehood and centuries of oppressive beliefs.

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Muhammad's "reach and influence" beginning with his beheading of innocent Jewish farm boys, and their dads and grandpas, while he and his boys raped their little sisters, moms and grandmothers, and stealing the fruit of their labor of generations.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm#banu_qurayza

You failing to mention that the Prophet let one of their own people deal with them, you failing to mention their treachery and that many would have died due to it.In 627, when the Quraysh and their allies besieged the city in the Battle of the Trench, the Qurayza entered into negotiations with the besiegers. Subsequently, the tribe was charged with treason and besieged by the Muslims commanded by Muhammad. The Banu Qurayza were overtaken and most of the men, apart from those who surrendered (many of whom converted to Islam in order to save their lives), were beheaded, while all the women and children were taken captive and enslaved. Several authors have challenged the veracity of this incident, arguing that it was exaggerated or invented. Wikipedia comment there are several others that challenge the Authenticity of the story and it may have been a story told by Jews of previous slaughter by the Greeks and attributed to Muhammad (May ALLAH bestow peace upon him.

for another clear view go to http://www.haqq.com.au/~salam/misc/qurayza.html.
This STORY IS DOUBTFUL AND SIMILAR JEWISH STORIES EXIST before advent of Islam.

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No he is a counter-Gospel counter-God counter-Jesus "messenger" of Satan, who has brought murder, mayhem and misery to the world for 1400 years, beginning by beheading those innocent Jewish farm boys, continuing unto the suffering of hundreds of millions in the world today, including the vast majority of the 100,000 to 180,000 Christians martyred around the world by Muhammad's true followers.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm
The only counter Gospel counter Jesus is one who fails to adhere to the first command Hear Ye O Israel the Lord your God is One"
The Story as I research it appears to be a jewish concoction and fabrication or  again conjecture and lies presented as the truth.
Please do thorough research before posting a story. Do not post weak Hadith with no Isnad.
A very weak argument since the story is doubtful and from a doubtful source to begin with


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From the Hoover Institute: "Few people realize that we are today living through the largest persecution of Christians in history, worse even than the famous attacks under ancient Roman emperors like Diocletian and Nero. Estimates of the numbers of Christians under assault range from 100-200 million. According to one estimate, a Christian is martyred every five minutes. And most of this persecution is taking place at the hands of Muslims. Of the top fifty countries persecuting Christians, forty-two have either a Muslim majority or have sizeable Muslim populations."

CNS reports: "Sunni Muslim terrorists committed “about 70 percent” of the 12,533 terrorist murders in the world last year, according to a report by the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC)."
That's for the year 2011, and that percentage doesn't even include Shiite Muslim terrorist murders. Thus it should be obvious to all non-Muslims, that the world would be largely at peace today, if the followers of Muhammad had not been commanded to "fight and slay" non-Muslims in the "cause" of "Allah".
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm

EStimates (conjecture or lies?) according to an estimate? CNS reports that one mans terrorist id anthers freedom fighter and it is a well known fact that the CIA and political groups incite violence and instigate friction between parties that have been living in harmony for centuries.
You citing the stats form the enemies of GOD. The lies are that they using political stats to quote religious ones. Agin make up your mind Peter, are you a man of truth and God or do you want to be a man of Lies and conjecture and in the side of the enemies of GOD who incite violence?


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And as long as you keep lying about  the Gospel says. Do you really believe the ONE true God of the Jews and Christians wants you to lie about the Gospel like that:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1790.msg15883#msg15883

Its not a lie it is keeping with the majesty of ALLAh the first and holiest of commands Hear Ye O' Israel the Lord Your God is one. In Islam " There is no god but ALLAH, unique, he begets no nor is he begotten. In perfect harmony and a perfect continuation of the teaching of all the Prophets of GOd. Your conjecture and opinions of Lowly scribes has been corrected and you will have no excuse in the prescence of GOD for rejecting the first and Holiest of Commands.

........ The Messiah born of Mary, the spirit of ALLAH,

You deny the whole subject of the Gospel, and blaspheme the Son of God, because of your faith in THE false prophet Muhammad alone.

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1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
John is correct the upper case has no bearing on the fact that the bible calls all the Prophets the sons of God and says that God sent them and that if you follow the Prophet of your time you will be admitted to the kingdom of God and be saved from doom.

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2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Absolutely true in the time of Jesus when the Injeel was given to the disciples and the Doctrine(injeel unfortunately is fragmented into the Gospels and the translators and scribes have destroyed its meanings and teachings


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1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
As above
                           
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1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
Again the sons of God are the Prophets The inheritors of God, its not to be taken literally unless you follow Pagan Greek and Roman Philosophies.

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Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
well how are you going to interpret the words of GOD? How did they translate this? Is this verse open to conjecture and speculation? Physically its not possible for you to count the blood of the covenant?
 where are the line breaks? where does on sentence start and next end? More speculation altering interpretation as you would like to apply it.

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1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
Jesus is the Messiah, the anointed (Christos in greek) I don't deny that. I believe in God, I believe Jesus is the Messiah, What I don't believe is the CONJECTURE THAT FOLLOWS I DONT BELIEVE THE INTREPRETATION OF THE TRANSLATIONS THAT ARE AMBIGIOUS AT BEST>
                     
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2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.   
He is absolutely right he is referring to People that will write with their own hands and say "this is from GOD" People that think they can interpret Translations you know of People who do just that, (Rafat Amari and Ellis Skolfield perhaps) preceded by the Nicean council and the many scribes and translators of the Holy words of JESUS and the Illustrious Companions Disciples

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2013, 02:34:48 PM »
When will you learn Muj? This isn't rocket science.
Quote the post by pushing the quote button.
Then copy the tag in the top left, and paste it after the last [/quote] tag at the bottom of the page.
Then copy the two tags together, and paste them anywhere you want to break a post.
Then enter your message between the two tags.
Is that really so difficult Muj?

No matter how complicated a post becomes, that method will always work.

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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2013, 03:20:46 PM »

So then you believe the Quraish pagans were right to venerate their/your black stone idol, in their moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship, that they venerated along with their other 359 idols.

Your lack of understanding of basic ISlam and your ignorance of the worship of ALLAH is an indication of lack of seeking and disseminating the truth. What you prefer to do is slander and spread lies.

You accuse me of lying, yet you cannot deny that you prostrate yourself toward the very same black stone idol, that the Quraish pagan's venerated before Muhammad was ever born.
Located 1200 kilometers away from THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs.
Are you trying to deny that you prostrate yourself toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol five times a day?

The idols were destroyed.....

Even as you accuse me of lying, can't even you see that your words are nothing but an empty, hollow, wishful lie, since you are even expected to travel to that idol, and march around it as the Arabian pagan moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worshipers did, before Muhammad was ever born, and even kiss that idol as Muhammad did.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1050.0

Muhammad wanted to keep the Kaaba Inc. alive, so he could profit from it the way his uncle did before him, and as the Saudis do unto this day.

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Re: THE KAABAH AS TEMPLE OF THE ARABIAN STAR WORSHIP
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2013, 03:29:22 PM »

So then you believe the Quraish pagans were right to venerate their/your black stone idol, in their moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship, that they venerated along with their other 359 idols.

Your lack of understanding of basic ISlam and your ignorance of the worship of ALLAH is an indication of lack of seeking and disseminating the truth. What you prefer to do is slander and spread lies.

You accuse me of lying, yet you cannot deny that you prostrate yourself toward the very same black stone idol, that the Quraish pagan's venerated before Muhammad was ever born.
Located 1200 kilometers away from THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs.
Are you trying to deny that you prostrate yourself toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol?
What is it that you do not understand before Islam from the time of Abraham idol worship  then Abraham declared  La iellaa ha illALLAH. There is no God but Allah, all the idols were destroyed, all the false gods destroyed, then in the time of Prophet Muhammad the second great deviation and Period of darkness and wrong belief was destroyed, all the idols were destroyed, all the false gods destroyed, La iellaa ha illALLAH. There is no God but ALLAH

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Re: THE KAABAH AS TEMPLE OF THE ARABIAN STAR WORSHIP
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2013, 03:34:01 PM »

So then you believe the Quraish pagans were right to venerate their/your black stone idol, in their moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship, that they venerated along with their other 359 idols.

Your lack of understanding of basic ISlam and your ignorance of the worship of ALLAH is an indication of lack of seeking and disseminating the truth. What you prefer to do is slander and spread lies.

You accuse me of lying, yet you cannot deny that you prostrate yourself toward the very same black stone idol, that the Quraish pagan's venerated before Muhammad was ever born.
Located 1200 kilometers away from THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs.
Are you trying to deny that you prostrate yourself toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol?
What is it that you do not understand before Islam from the time of Abraham idol worship  then Abraham declared  La iellaa ha illALLAH. There is no God but Allah, all the idols were destroyed, ...........

Then what is the Quraish pagan's black stone idol still doing there, still embedded into the corner of the Quraish pagan's kaaba?

Sahih Muslim Book 007, Number 3078: 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger may peace be upon him) said to me: Had your people not been unbelievers in the recent past (had they not quite recently accepted Islam), I would have demolished the Ka'ba and would have rebuilt it on the foundation (laid) by Ibrahim; for when the Quraish had built the Ka'ba, they reduced its (area), and I would also have built (a door) in the rear.

http://www.brotherpete.com/hajj_umrah.htm#kaaba



......... all the false gods destroyed,[/b] then in the time of Prophet Muhammad the second great deviation and Period of darkness .............

Prostrating yourself toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol five times a day, and traveling to Mecca to kiss it, is the very definition of darkness my friend.

............... and wrong belief was destroyed, all the idols were destroyed,.........

A delusional lie, since you still prostrate toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol.
Let alone that you are expected to travel to it and further venerate it like this follower of Muhammad.



.......... all the false gods destroyed, La iellaa ha illALLAH. There is no God but ALLAH

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Re: THE KAABAH AS TEMPLE OF THE ARABIAN STAR WORSHIP
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2013, 03:44:01 PM »
Read the Hadith on the black stone, leave your speculation, conjecture and Opinions at the door try to look at your knowledge holistically and keep in mind what God wants, Hear Ye O Children of Israel, the lord your God is One, GOD wants you to worship him alone, not through anything, The picture of the black stone veneration is a distortion of the reality of the belief of Muslims, many believe in blessings and fulfilling what the prophet did

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Re: THE KAABAH AS TEMPLE OF THE ARABIAN STAR WORSHIP
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2013, 03:49:13 PM »
Read the Hadith on the black stone,...........

You mean the fictional poppycock, created in the 7th - 10th centuries AD, to masquerade as a history prior to Muhammad?
Since actual Mecca "history" did not begin to be recorded until around Muhammad's birthday, before you buy into that giant pile of camel dung, why don't you first ask yourself how a bunch of semi-literate 8th to 10th century SW Arabian desert dwellers, knew what went on 300 years before themselves and before Muhammad's 6th century. Much less the ridiculous notion, that they could have had any idea whatsoever, about what went on thousands of years before.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2859.0

........... leave your speculation, conjecture and Opinions at the door try to look at your knowledge holistically and keep in mind what God wants, Hear Ye O Children of Israel, the lord your God is One, GOD wants you to worship him alone, not through anything,..........

So why do you prostrate yourself toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol?

.......... The picture of the black stone veneration is a distortion of the reality of the belief of Muslims, many believe in blessings and fulfilling what the prophet did

That's exactly right, because THE false prophet Muhammad's followers reject the one true God of the scriptures - as He revealed Himself to His people, Jews and Christians - to instead follow Muhammad alone, through thinly veneered Quraish pagan moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals.
http://www.brotherpete.com/hajj_umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah

Do you realize who you trust your eternity to Muj?
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/#which_intercessor

One must choose - Jesus or Muhammad?
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm

As you said, his true followers today are doing exactly as Muhammad did, and commanded his followers to do:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm

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Re: THE KAABAH AS TEMPLE OF THE ARABIAN STAR WORSHIP
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2013, 05:49:11 AM »
I choose the religion and belief of all the Priphets of God.
All the prophets are unanimous that none is worthy of worship but ALLAH.
I believe that the Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad via the Angel Gabriel

I believe that the religions if the world all start out from messengers of God and deviated after the companions of the Prophets departed. Politicians colluded with clergyman to corrupt pure text and the Quran was revealed to correct all the deviation

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Re: THE KAABAH AS TEMPLE OF THE ARABIAN STAR WORSHIP
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2013, 06:37:19 AM »
I choose the religion and belief of all the Priphets of God.

You choose the EXACT OPPOSITE through your faith in Muhammad alone.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/

All the prophets are unanimous that none is worthy of worship but ALLAH.
I believe that the Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad via the Angel Gabriel

Yet Muhammad himself knew it was a demon that met him in the cave of Hira, just as he reported to Khadijah when he got home.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3909.0

Then Khadijah talked him out of it. But Khadijah wasn't even there. She just wanted to profit from jinn-devils the way her father had.

"When exposing occultism in the family of Mohammed, we are not showing prejudice or unfairness to Muslims; rather, we are simply presenting the truth, as recorded in Islamic literature. Unfortunately, the Islamic historians, who recorded such occult phenomenon, failed to recognize that such occultism is directly contradictory to: the nature, the call, and the word of the true God."
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1784.msg7346#msg7346
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_24_Profitable_Prophet_Plan.Islam

So Muslims effectively worship Satan, by way of a demon that met Muhammad, thanks to Khadijah.

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Too bad Muhammad was illiterate, or he might have been able to confirm his earlier opinion.

I believe that the religions if the world all start out from messengers of God and deviated after the companions of the Prophets departed.

Parroting a foolish lie, with an effort solely to create an excuse, to follow 7th century Muhammad alone. Jews have worshiped out great God YHWH through the old covenant scriptures for thousands of years. Christians joined them in worship of our great God YHWH when He was made manifest to the world through the Messiah, who was sent to fulfill the old covenant.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/#bible_corruption

Politicians colluded with clergyman to corrupt pure text and the Quran was revealed to correct all the deviation

But as is easily recognized by those that bother to investigate it, the Quran is nothing but a bunch of unrelated tripe conjured up by an illiterate SW Arabian desert dweller and his cadre of coauthors.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3091.0

Muj, God gave us all the free will to choose between right and wrong, good and evil, and reality and fantasy, so how we spend our eternal life depends on the choices we make in this life. Those choices in turn, are arrived at through a love of truth, or absence thereof. Which "trinity" does your eternal life depend on? That of the one true God of love of the Jews and Christians as He revealed Himself manifest in person and through His Spirit, to ALL of His prophets and witnesses of His 1600 year record of revelation to mankind, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years, with our sinless Messiah as intercessor? A record that is well supported by history, archaeology and fulfilled prophecy, that is consistent with matter of fact physical geography, and can even be confirmed mathematically.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Or does your eternal life depend on an imitation trinity with Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" as a terrorist, that inspired a cruel, violent, imperialistic, mass-murdering, child violating, counter-"messenger" of an anti-religion, in Muhammad's "Allah's" spirit of antichrist, with Muhammad as the self-proclaimed intercessor?
A scripture-contrary, counter-religion with a pre-Muhammad history-devoid, archaeology-absent, reality-rejecting, geographically-impossible so-called "tradition", that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history, yet was all created and put to the pen in the 7th to 10th centuries AD without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 6th century AD. A counter-YHWH anti-religion with a carnal tradition of prostrating toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and Kaaba in Mecca five times a day - located 1200 kilometers away from the Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs - while praying in the "vain repetitions as the heathen do", in the names of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad. Even compelled to perform adopted, adapted and thinly veneered pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/the_trinity.htm#which_trinity_for_eternity

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Re: THE KAABAH AS TEMPLE OF THE ARABIAN STAR WORSHIP
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2013, 10:21:00 AM »
Once again, the subject of this thread is the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and the kaaba that the Quraish pagan's built in the late 5th century in the SW Arabian desert - located 1200 kilometers away from THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs - for pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn devil worship.

Sahih Muslim Book 007, Number 3078 ".....for when the Quraish had built the Ka'ba, they reduced its (area), and I would also have built (a door) in the rear."
http://www.brotherpete.com/hajj_umrah.htm#kaaba

The unrelated subject of the Quran and scriptures was split off and merged with the related subject "Authors of the Quran" thread:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3091.0

I'll temporarily lock this thread so you aren't tempted by it Muj. Any post you put in any thread in the forum will be sent to spam until you resume our discussion at this link:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg15954#msg15954