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« on: October 15, 2009, 05:09:30 AM »

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Aisha was 6 when Mohammed married her, and 9 years old, when 53 year old Mohammed had sex with her.
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2009, 12:37:10 PM »

It seems that western love to use they stoy mohamed (PBUH) and Aisha as excuse


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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2009, 04:20:05 AM »

It seems that western love to use they stoy mohamed (PBUH) and Aisha as excuse

As an excuse for what? Mohammed did Aisha as a 9 year old child who was still playing with dolls, which meant that she had not yet reached puberty.
We simply point it out to further highlight the reprobate nature of your false prophet.
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2009, 09:13:46 AM »

it was comon between arabs to marry at early age not mohamed (BPUH) . what about you sexual bible god's word haha funny i am sure that didn't wrote this it was man's word .

about false prophet , jews were waiting for prophet after Messaih (PBUH) .

Saul(pual )  was false apostle  .

Now, look at what was said to the church that we know Paul had been involved in... Ephesus. Among the things that Yahshua commended the Ephesian church for doing right, is this quote:

    "I know your works, your labor, and your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars." Rev. 2:2

Yes. I have no doubts Yahshua was referring to Paul and his companions, and that his claim of apostleship, as well as his doctrine, were false!  Hang in there and consider all the facts with me for a minute. Here are four of them... with the silver bullet coming shortly after.   

    1.  Paul's doctrine on the foreknowledge of God is not only groundless (because he had to abuse Scripture to support it), it is blasphemous,
         because it outright accuses God of unrighteousness. (See previous chapters)
    2.  We have record of Paul claiming to be an apostle to the Ephesians.

           "Paul, an apostle of Yahshua by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus,"  Ephesians 1:1

    3.  We have no record of anyone else claiming to be an apostle to anyone anywhere, not even to the Ephesians.
    4.  Paul and his doctrine had troubles being accepted in Ephesus.

        "And he went into the synagogue and spoke boldly for three months, reasoning and persuading concerning the things of the kingdom of God. But when some were hardened and did not believe, but spoke evil of the way before the multitude..."   Acts 19:8,9

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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2009, 09:58:32 AM »

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it was comon between arabs to marry at early age not mohamed (BPUH) . what about you sexual bible god's word haha funny i am sure that didn't wrote this it was man's word .

about false prophet , jews were waiting for prophet after Messaih (PBUH) .


Are you suggesting that Muhammad did not marry Aisha at a young age? Because the hadith say otherwise.

Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."


It was not common for arabs to marry at that young an age. The girl had to at least be a matured pubescent age. Aisha was nine. (actually 8 since arabs use a lunar calendar.) And even if this had been common practice, which it wasn't, a revolutionary does not reaffirm dispicable acts. He abolishes them. Aisha's father was even shocked at the request. 

Perhaps you suggest Muhammad didn't do this because you know in your heart it is wrong for a 54 year old man to have sexual feelings for a child. Please for a moment put yourself in the shoes of that 9 year old girl and try to imagine what would have been going through your head. Imagine yourself as a child and being unable to control what was happening to you.

The reason that Jews were waiting for a prophet after Yeshua was because they did not recognize Him as their Messiah.

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Now, look at what was said to the church that we know Paul had been involved in... Ephesus. Among the things that Yahshua commended the Ephesian church for doing right, is this quote:

    "I know your works, your labor, and your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars." Rev. 2:2

Yes. I have no doubts Yahshua was referring to Paul and his companions, and that his claim of apostleship, as well as his doctrine, were false!  Hang in there and consider all the facts with me for a minute. Here are four of them... with the silver bullet coming shortly after.

Your claims are off the mark right to start with. Since it was Paul that started the church at Ephesus. So the fact that Yeshua commended them speaks worlds of Paul's ministry. But I understand why you attack Paul. He is the one who outlined in one verse the most common sin that Muhammad would be guilty of.

1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1Cr 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
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1. Paul's doctrine on the foreknowledge of God is not only groundless (because he had to abuse Scripture to support it), it is blasphemous,
because it outright accuses God of unrighteousness. (See previous chapters)
2. We have record of Paul claiming to be an apostle to the Ephesians.

"Paul, an apostle of Yahshua by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus," Ephesians 1:1

3. We have no record of anyone else claiming to be an apostle to anyone anywhere, not even to the Ephesians.
4. Paul and his doctrine had troubles being accepted in Ephesus.

"And he went into the synagogue and spoke boldly for three months, reasoning and persuading concerning the things of the kingdom of God. But when some were hardened and did not believe, but spoke evil of the way before the multitude..." Acts 19:8,9

You are going to have to clarify Point 1. I have no idea what you are saying Paul was teaching. And you will have to show what scripture he was abusing to support this so-called doctrine. Paul's message had always consisted of what is in the Gospels. Jesus crucified for our sins, raised back to life and ascended into Heaven.

We don't have a record of anyone else claiming to be an Apostle? That's funny.

1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Mat 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James [the son] of Zebedee, and John his brother;

Mat 10:3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James [the son] of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;

Mat 10:4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

Act 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Act 2:37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?

Act 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, [and] of the country of Cyprus,

Act 5:29 Then Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Then you try to prove your point by quoting this verse.
"And he went into the synagogue and spoke boldly for three months, reasoning and persuading concerning the things of the kingdom of God. But when some were hardened and did not believe, but spoke evil of the way before the multitude..." Acts 19:8,9

Paul was in the SYNAGOGUE. Which meant he was preaching and reasoning with Jews. Jews that had not accepted Jesus as their Messiah.
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2009, 06:20:34 AM »

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Are you suggesting that Muhammad did not marry Aisha at a young age? Because the hadith say otherwise.

Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."


It was not common for arabs to marry at that young an age. The girl had to at least be a matured pubescent age. Aisha was nine. (actually 8 since arabs use a lunar calendar.) And even if this had been common practice, which it wasn't, a revolutionary does not reaffirm dispicable acts. He abolishes them. Aisha's father was even shocked at the request.


no i am not , mohamed (PBUH) did but it was comon to arabs to marry at early age even if you didn't agree .
population in arab world in that time was low so mohamed (PBUH) to marry at early age so that we can grow so fast ..

by the way why you don't look to your bible :

1: 2 the first thing that the LORD spake unto the Lord said to Hosea Hosea Go, take yourself to a woman committed adultery and children committed adultery, because the ground had committed adultery committed adultery, leaving the Lord
1: 3 went and took Gomer daughter Dblaim conceived and bore him a son
2: 2 Impeach Impeach your mother because it is not my wife and I'm not her man in order to isolate her fornication her face and breasts Vsgaha of 2
: 3 so as not to Ajerdha slug and stopped Kiomuladtha and Make Kagafr Asirha a land and land and quantity of thirst
2: 4 and not have mercy for her children that they Uladzny

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Kings I: 1
: 1, aged King David made in the days and they were not warm clothing Idtrunh 1
: 2 and said to him to inspect his servants of our Lord the King on the virgin girl Feltagaf before the king and the incubator and not have to lie down Faihdhank Vidva lord king
1: 3 So they sought the beautiful girl in all the coasts of Israel and found Abicj Alhunmip brought her to the king

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David's wife to commit adultery neighbor travel Swiil II:
11: 2 and was at the time of the evening, that David has on his bed and walk on the roof of the king's house Frye on the surface a woman bathing, and women were very beautiful scenery 1
1: 3 And David sent and asking for one woman said, Is not this Bathsheba daughter of Uriah the Hittite woman Elieam
11: 4 And David sent messengers and took her to him Fadtdja entered with her and is cleansed of Tmtha then returned to her home

it's better for to study your bible well before studying the last testament .
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2009, 06:56:29 AM »

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no i am not , mohamed (PBUH) did but it was comon to arabs to marry at early age even if you didn't agree .

Is that so. Then why did you say this?

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it was comon between arabs to marry at early age not mohamed (BPUH)

Besides I already pointed out that it was not customary for arabs to marry THAT young. The girl had to at least be at a physically mature pubescent age. Even Aisha's father was suprised at the request.

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by the way why you don't look to your bible :


You still seem to be laboring under the delusion that every act committed in the OT was sanctioned by God. Many of the things those people did were sinful and identified as such. The Jews recorded them faithfully and did not try to explain it away, cover it up or make excuses for it. As I said before only a child uses the "well he did it too logic" to justify his own behaviour.

Furthermore the verses you are quoting are jumbled and non-sensical. Try quoting them verbatim and then we can go from their.

Much more to the point there is NO excuse for having sex with a 9 year old girl. I don't care what the reasoning is. And the arab population must not have been suffering too badly since it spent the better part of a century fighting and killing one another. Besides Muhammad had plenty of other "wives" to procreate with. Aisha wasn't needed for that purpose to start with.

You still can't imagine yourself in that girls shoes as a child can you? Your devotion to Muhammad has blinded you to any scruples or morality.

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it's better for to study your bible well before studying the last testament .

I would suggest you do the same. Instead of trying to lift verses from here and there and taking them completely out of context.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2009, 07:02:36 AM »

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You still seem to be laboring under the delusion that every act committed in the OT was sanctioned by God. Many of the things those people did were sinful and identified as such. The Jews recorded them faithfully and did not try to explain it away, cover it up or make excuses for it. As I said before only a child uses the "well he did it too logic" to justify his own behaviour.

Furthermore the verses you are quoting are jumbled and non-sensical. Try quoting them verbatim and then we can go from their.

Much more to the point there is NO excuse for having sex with a 9 year old girl. I don't care what the reasoning is. And the arab population must not have been suffering too badly since it spent the better part of a century fighting and killing one another. Besides Muhammad had plenty of other "wives" to procreate with. Aisha wasn't needed for that purpose to start with.

You still can't imagine yourself in that girls shoes as a child can you? Your devotion to Muhammad has blinded you to any scruples or morality.


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Is that so. Then why did you say this?
i fotget to write only .







and how are to give us orders mohamed (PBUH) was porphet so he was human but what about you gods(he want virgin woma)
 . arabs used to marry at early age like or not . you can study arab history if you wan't



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I would suggest you do the same. Instead of trying to lift verses from here and there and taking them completely out of context.

No thanks  i am sure you read your bible many times and you know how full of sexual it's  , look to we have first than speak about islam .
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2009, 08:36:01 AM »

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and how are to give us orders mohamed (PBUH) was porphet so he was human but what about you gods(he want virgin woma)
 . arabs used to marry at early age like or not . you can study arab history if you wan't

The Bible never claims that God wanted a virgin for sexual consumation. He used a virgin to manifest Himself into the world.
And I have studied arab history. Appearantly better than you have. That is why I know that while arabs did marry young, they did NOT marry that young. As I said even Aisha's father was shocked. More to the point a revolutionary does not reinforce crude practices. He abolishes them. Saying, "everyone else does it" is the logic of a child. It is not an excuse to continue disgusting behaviour.


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No thanks  i am sure you read your bible many times and you know how full of sexual it's  , look to we have first than speak about islam .

Well then don't be surprised when you don't understand the 2 or 3 verses you quote. And I never claimed the Bible didn't record sexual exploits. I said that just becaue it recorded them does not mean God sanctioned them. What is so hard to understand about that?
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