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Mohammed's Instructions on Slaves
« on: October 18, 2009, 07:25:04 AM »
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Historical record of slavery in Islamic countries: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJhSejBDTPI
Slavery wasn't "officially" outlawed in Saudi Arabia and Yemen until 1962, UAE in 1963, and Oman in 1970, and then in those countries only because of outside pressure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline
It will always be perfectly legal in Islam, just as Mohammed practiced it. Still practiced widely in Islam controlled parts of the world today.



Have you psychologically programmed yourself to turn away from in-depth discussion of Mohammed even when that discussion is supported by the Quran and hadith? You can verify the suras below with the Quran from this Islamic source here
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/
And hadith here
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/
Bukhari hadith here
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/

"Allah has hated for you three things: ... 3. And asking too many questions (in disputed religious matters)." (Dr. Khan, Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol. 2, #555) http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/024.sbt.html

Following the God of the Jews and Christians is very much the opposite of that.

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.


Yusuf Ali
Sura 24:33:...But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),

But WHEN they don't want to preserve their chastity then pimp 'em out and make some gain!
And even if you force them into prostitution Allah will forgive anyway!
Pretty convenient god for a raping, murdering, pillaging, plundering, imperialistic army!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1onTtrg1gE8

What kind of 7th century god would offer instruction regarding pimping out your sex slaves, captured and raped, as spoils of war?

Sura 33:50-51 "O prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war ... this only for thee, and not for believers [at large]; we know what we have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hand possess; - in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And God is oft-forgiving, most merciful.

A god that sanctions fornication with sex-slaves:

Sura 23.1 The believers must (eventually) win through,- 2 Those ....
23.5 Who abstain from sex, 6 Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,

Mohammed's "Allah" even sanctioning the rape of married (adultery) non-muslim women taken as spoils of war:

Sura 4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess:....

And al-Jalalayn tafsir (4:24) states: "And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses, be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even if they should have spouses among the enemy camp, but only after they have been absolved of the possibility of pregnancy [after the completion of one menstrual cycle]; this is what God has prescribed for you (kitba is in the accusative because it is the verbal noun)""

(Sahih Muslim) Book 8:3431: "It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a captive woman after she is purified (of menses or delivery) in case she has a husband, her marriage is abrogated after she becomes captive. BOOK 8. KITAB AL-NIKAH
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/008.smt.html
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/hadeeth/muslim/content08.html

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018219.php

But then it should be no surprise when the same god sanctions the theft of the property of others gained through imperialistic conquest with a whole Sura titled: 8 - AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)

This details Mohammed's 1/5 share of the plundered goods gained, much like a Mafia Don.

Sura 8:41 And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger...

I wonder if Allah ever showed up to collect his portion of the 1/5 share?

8:69 But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good: but fear Allah. for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Surah 59:7 What Allah has bestowed on His Messenger (and taken away) from the people of the townships,- belongs to Allah,- to His Messenger...

What if it had been you? What if it was your peaceful little town that the Mohammedans attacked? Your livestock that they stole? Your door they broke down, to steal everything you worked all your life for, and all your family heirlooms? Your 9 year old daughter, and wife, that some reprobate pressed into sexual service in his harem?
What if they do it to your wife tomorrow, if the young man in the first video gets his way / Mohammed's way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V22qDQqMPL0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVM39L2D_Gw
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj4enzdgnH8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-DA4WmfFWI

So where can we suppose Mohammed resides today?

1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=336.0

Sura 23.1 The believers must (eventually) win through,- those who.....
23.5 Who abstain from sex, 6 Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,

So those who fornicate with their sex slaves, outside of their marriage to several wives, are "free from blame". Are we really to believe that God smiles down on fornicating adulterers?

My Muslim friends, do you really believe you would be a Muslim today, if you had not been born to Muslim parents?
Following a A SINGLE 7th century prophet who WAS, and taught, the EXACT OPPOSITE, of what the God of the Jews and Christians revealed in His 1600 year record, through ALL of the prophets and apostles, to His people, that have followed Him for 3500 years?
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=148.0

John 10:9  I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.    10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.    11  I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssh1AaJzbWE
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Additional translations to avoid attempts at excusing it away as translation errors:

Pickthal
Surah 24:33...Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. and if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be forgiving, Merciful.

Shakir
Sura 24:33 ...and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.


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Peter

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Re: Mohammed's Instructions on Slaves
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2009, 07:47:40 AM »
So how can anyone suggest the following sura is a call to something other than rape and sex slavery?

Sura 33:50-51 "O prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war ... this only for thee, and not for believers [at large]; we know what we have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hand possess; - in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And God is oft-forgiving, most merciful.

And the following as other than instruction regarding pimping out one's sex slaves?

Sura 24:33:...But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),     

So when she doesn't desire chastity - perhaps wants to split the cash - then pimp her out for gain.
But then even if her captor forces her, Allah is forgiving! Pretty convenient god.

Can someone who follows Mohammed please explain to us, just how you can follow him, in light of his character?
Just why it is you reject the 1600 year record that God's people have followed through two covenants, for 3500 years, and instead follow the exact opposite, through such a man, and his stand-alone 7th century religious invention?

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