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THE SABIANS & ISLAM

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Muslims have been taught that Muhammad's religion has something to do with the old covenant law. This even though after the Hijra, Muhammad switched the Qibla, or direction that his followers were to pray, from Jerusalem to the Quraish's Kaaba in Mecca. He even switched his "Holy Day" from the Sabbath, to Friday, after the Hijra. Thus it should be painfully obvious, that Muslims do not keep the "law" when they don't even keep the Sabbath, but rather follow Muhammad's stand-alone "law".

Some Muslims try to suggest that their daily religious routine is rooted in scripture through such giant leaps, as to suggest that because there is an instance in the Gospel of Jesus prostrating Himself, that it somehow means that Yahweh's people are supposed to prostrate ourselves toward the Quraish's black stone idol in the Kaaba in Mecca five times a day. The reason that Jews and Christians don't prostrate ourselves in prayer is, of course, because there is no such ordinance in scripture that instructs us to.

Nor are there scriptural ordinances that instruct Yahweh's people to perform ablution before prayer. However, if one of Muhammad's followers so much as passes gas after performing ablution, Muhammad's "Allah" will not hear his prayer, unless and until he performs the ablution all over again.

Nor is there an ordinance for Jews and Christians to travel to a location in the SW Arabian desert, located 1200 kilometers away from THE Holy Land of the patriarchs and prophets, where Yahweh had His people build His temple, to engage in thinly repackaged Quraish pagan rituals around the Quraish's black stone idol in their Kaaba. Let alone to wear long white robes while doing so.

The historical and Islamic records do confirm that the Quraish pagans engaged in tawaf, or circumambulation of the Kaaba seven times, in Arabian moon, sun and star worship. They also performed the Sa'ee of Al-Safa and Al-Marwah in Arabian jinn-demon worship. Their rituals at Arafa and Mina, casting stones, sacrificing animals and much more, were thinly repackaged by Muhammad, and are still practiced by his followers today.

One doesn't have to dwell on the true origins of Islamic rituals, since there is no historical or archaeological evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD, or it's Kaaba before the early 5th century, when immigrants from Yemen built it. Abraham was never within a thousand kilometers of where Mecca was eventually established, and he lived almost 2,000 years before it eventually was.

Nor is there an ordinance for Jews or Christians to fast for 30 days, beginning with the sighting of a crescent moon, which is why we don't.

So where did Muhammad come up with Islamic routines? Muhammad claimed he got the instructions regarding praying five times a day when he rode on a flying animal from Mecca, to Jerusalem, to "paradise" and back to Mecca one night. But then he also claimed to have entered and prayed in a temple in Jerusalem on that trip, that history tells us had been torn down over 500 years prior to his claim. Not surprisingly there were no witnesses of Muhammad's fanciful flying steed.

However, four of Muhammad's relatives did found a local sect, of the 2nd century monotheistic occult cult of the Sabians, that they named "Ahnaf". Indeed, Muhammad mentions Sabians right along side Christians and Jews in the Quran. Muhammad became so deeply involved in this 2nd century occult cult, that the locals often referred to him simply as "the Sabian".

First-language-Arabic speaking Dr. Rafat Amari, included original source material, in his 20 year full-time study of Islam and Arabia. According to his paper "Ramadan and it's Roots"...


"The Sabians, who were pagans in the Middle East, were identified with two groups, the Mandaeans and the Harranians."

"Ibn al-Nadim wrote in his book, al-Fahrisit, about various religious sects in the Middle East. He says in the month in which the Harranians fasted for thirty days, they honored the god Sin, which is the moon. Al-Nadim described the feasts they celebrated and the sacrifices they presented to the moon.[iv][4]"


So it would seem no coincidence that Ramadan begins with the observation of a crescent moon.
Regarding "feasts" it's interesting to note that some online Muslims confess that Muslims spend more money on food during the month that they "fast", than any other month of the year, apparently because they feast on fancier than normal fare before dawn and after sunset.
 
(URL) Dr. Amari continues...

"Another historian, Ibn Abi Zinad also speaks about the Harranians, saying that they fast for thirty days, they look toward Yemen when they fast, and they pray five times a day.[v][5]   We know that Muslims also pray five times a day. Harranian fasting is also similar to that of Ramadan in Islam in the fact that they fast from before the sun rises until the sunset, just as the Muslims do during the days of Ramadan.[vi][6] Still another historian, Ibn al-Juzi,  described the Harranian fasting during this month. He said they concluded their fasting by sacrificing animals and presenting alms to the poor.[vii][7]  We also find these things in Islamic fasting today."

"The pagan Arabians in the pre-Islamic Jahiliyah period fasted in the same way Muslims fasted, as originally directed by Mohammed. Pagan Arabian fasting included abstinence from food, water, and sexual contact the same as practiced by Islam."


So the Sabians...

1. prayed five times a day
2. performed ablution
3. prostrated while praying
4. fasted for 30 days, beginning with observation of the moon, during the same month as Ramadan
5. wore long white robes

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In "Occultism in the Family of Mohammad" Dr. Amari wrote...

"Khadijah, the first wife of Mohammed, came from a family of prominent occult leaders.  Among them we mentioned Ruchieh, a Kahineh of Jinn-devils at Mecca. Ruchieh was the sister of Waraqa bin Naufal,[xxvii][27] the Ebionite occult priest who was the cousin of Khadijah. Waraqa, was a leading figure in the Ahnaf. He used to make Tahnuf, which meant he spent time in the caves of Harra', separating himself from the rest of society for months at a time. (Such practices were common among heretics, as we learn from the early Christian fathers. [xxviii][28]), and were known among leaders of occult sects.  Khadijah used to make Tahnuf at the same caves.

Waraqa was the one who convinced Mohammed to be a prophet. After returning home from the cave of Harra', where he often went, Mohammed was frightened. He told his wife that a spirit claiming to be Gabriel appeared to him and choked him three times. Mohammed was convinced after this encounter that he had a devil inside him. But Khadijah insisted that Mohammed become a prophet of Allah. It's interesting to note that when angels appeared in the Bible, they never threatened anyone or imposed the prophetic role upon him.

Khadijah was married to Nabash Bin Zarareh Bin Wakdan, a visionary for the Jinn, before she met Mohammed. The Jinn appeared to Nabash in the form of an old man to give him information[xxix][29]. Abu Baker was his most important disciple of Nabash. Abu Baker remained a close friend of Khadijah,  eager to obey her when she declared Mohammed was the prophet, instead of her former husband.  As a wife of a visionary of Jinn, this gave Khadijah some prestige, because many Arabians consulted Jinn visionaries, and gave them money. This also explains why Khadijah was wealthy. She had caravans which brought goods from Syria to Mecca. After Nabash died, she employed Mohammed in her caravans, then married him, although Mohammed was twenty years younger than she.

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After the negative experiences which depressed Mohammed, Khadijah sent him to her cousin, Waraqa, to convince him that Mohammed was called to be a prophet of Allah. Waraqa succeeded in his task and became responsible for most of the Qur'anic verses at the beginning. Waraqa inserted Ebionite doctrines about Jesus in the Qur'an, stating that Jesus was a prophet, and that He was not crucified, but God made someone to resemble Jesus. That one was crucified because the crowd thought he was Jesus. This doctrine was first initiated by Simon, the magician from Samaria, who later founded a heresy which took his name, Simonianism. In reality, Simon created the root for such doctrine, before it was developed by the Gnostics in later times."

So which is more likely? That Muhammad picked up the daily rituals that his followers engage in from conversing with Adam, Moses, Abraham and others, while riding around on a flying animal one night, or that he simply lifted them from the 2nd century occult cult of the Sabians, which he had been deeply involved in by way of his four relatives?

What seems to have been increasingly revealed in regard to Muhammad's followers?

Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Considering Muhammad's encounter with the spirit in that cave in Harra', it should come as no surprise that Muhammad declared the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel which is the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah, to save all from sin who have faith in the shed blood, of the Lamb of God. The Old Testament as well as Jesus Himself, prophesied His crucifixion, death and resurrection.

Matthew 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, 18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again.

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

The exact opposite - in addition to the overwhelming historical and archaeological evidence against Islam, as well as geographical absurdity regarding Abraham suggested by Islamic so-called "tradition" that is a work of pure fiction created in the 7th and 8th centuries, that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history, penned without reference to historical record from before the 6th century AD.

Jesus even referenced His crucifixion as prophesied in the Old Testament
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

A passage from Psalms that Jesus referenced, written hundreds of years before crucifixion was even invented.
Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: they look [and] stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.*

Fulfilled
Matthew 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.

From one of the prophets that Jesus referenced
Zechariah 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.

New Testament fulfillment
John 19:37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

From another of the old covenant prophets
Isaiah 53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither [was any] deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

New Testament fulfillment
1Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed [himself] to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Prophecy from Moses that Jesus referenced
Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him.

Fulfilled in Jesus Christ and the new covenant He ushered in.
Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23 And it shall come to pass, [that] every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

It isn't unreasonable to suggest that the whole bible is about the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah, to save all from sin that have faith in His shed blood. Particularly since Jesus was the fulfillment of the old covenant.

In the person of Jesus Christ wasn't the first time Yahweh revealed Himself in the flesh of a man, since he appeared to Abraham as a man in the flesh, and even washed his feet and ate and drank.

Yet some of Muhammad's followers will still continue to reject the Gospel of the Messiah, to follow Muhammad, because of the spirit within them.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

The spirit of antichrist. That's 1.5 billion antichrists - 1/4 of mankind - in Islam alone. Make no mistake, ONE MUST CHOOSE, between the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind as revealed through all of his prophets and witnesses, that His people have followed through two covenants, for 3500 years.

Or the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel through the self-proclaimed prophet Muhammad and his self-serving alter-ego "Allah", in his stand-alone, heavily abrogated, 23 year, 7th century record. A prophet whose behavior is laid bare for all to see through Islam's own books.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:


More on prayer. Indeed Christians are instructed to...

1Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing.

Which describes continuous contact in relationship with God, by way of His Spirit in us, as directly opposed to monotonous empty ritual. Indeed, we are also instructed specifically how not to pray.

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Which aptly describes Muhammad's Salat.